Before starting this novella we reviewed several questions the novel posed. After finishing the piece, I would like for you to review those same questions (off to the left). Have your answers changed? What do you think influenced your point of view on these issues? Did the story have any impact on your opinions; why or why not? Did you find new viewpoints based on the individual projects of others or within your own group project? Did these influence your point of view? Why?Please post your answers as comments to this blog, using only your first name and last initial (for example, Jenny Smith would log in as Jenny S.). You will be expected to comment on the ideas others have posted, but this is done using YOUR ethics and morals; this is not a slam or dis session. Remember this space is considered an extension of the classroom; therefore, all classroom and school rules will apply.
After all posts are made we will discuss as a class the ideas presented and where you think those ideas came from.
44 comments:
my opinoin fint really change I still think some one who has a dissibiblity should have there disabilities "fixed". I dont think anything this extreme would happen but God does everything for a reason. I think that this story reinforced my answers. expecially about the question about docters being blamed for there misakes.
I still think that if a person has a disability that it should be kept the same. I belivie this because God made you how he wants you to be. I you were to change how a person than your destroying what God maade his way.
(Jeff.M) I think that some of my thoughts have changed a little, I still think that docters shouldn't be responsable for failurs because they have submitted them to other docters and they have accepted the terms, if the person who has invented the operation, they should have terms and things that the docters should know and the patiant should know before accepting the operration, if they said yes then the docter who invented the operation shouldn't be responsable for any failurs, or health issuies, the docter should be aware of any health issues relating to the operation :)
Jeff.M
i think that change is good and if we are willing and acceptable to change. then yes we should but if we are not willing to change then notging in the world will be accomplished.
a disibility should be changed depending on the situation. because a disibility makes us who we are.
well they cant be certain what is going to happen so no they shouldnt be responisble but they should be prepared if it doesnt go as planned for people ti be mad at them.
I still believe that humanity should try to improve itself. If humanity didn't keep trying than we would just be dumb. We have to try to live to potential. I don't believe however that disabilities should all be fixed with experimental techniques. I would say go ahead if you knew what would happen and the person was not duped into it.
My opinions changed after I read the short story. Seeing what an author thinks a slow adult might see the world as. I guess after seeing what happened to his life I figured that this stuff hapens in the world. I don't really want it to happen. I wouldn't use slow people for experiments. I would use average people who knew what they were getting into. This story was ficticious, but it was still an eye opener.
Sarah D.
(sean D.) I think my answers did chang becouse charly lost his memory a couple of weeks after the opiotion. i think the docotors are resitalbe becouse they are chanig the pesonaltys of a person
1.I believe that humanity should not keep trying to improve. The only reason is that when we improve there is always somthing that does not work.
2. Somthing that is diffrent about a person that sets them apart. I do not think that all disabities shoud not be fixed but we can help them understand and learn.
3.I still believe that doctors should be responable for every thing they do when they take care of a person.
FFA really showed me what it means to be different.
Madeline .D.
Jeff.M
if a person has a disabbility, and there is a way to fix his disabbility, then he/she or his guirdian should know of the soulition and should see if the disabbilitied person would need it and if it would be best for he/she.
Yes my answers have changed. I feel that humanity should at least try to improve itself in certain areas like poverty and medication. I think I was influenced by the fact that Charlie was so positive the whole time even when he started lossing all of his knownledge. Yes, it impacted the my opinion because i saw how much different things would be if Charlie was born smart.Yes, I found that somethings in life should just be left alone and not messed with or if there messed with they can go badly. No, because I had kind of my opinion already formed.
Katie T
I think that humans should always try to improve itself, I still agree of what I wrote before. We all improve our lifes everyday, and we can't stop it, our brains get used to what we do everyday. If someone made something to make our lifes easier, we should imprase it and see if we would want it in our lifes and see if it would make us stronger or weaker in our bodies defenses. I think that anyone who is aware of if it would hlep him physicley, them I think he knows that he is responsible of what he does
1. I think humanity should improve itself in surtain things like maybe lossing weight. But I don't think we need to keep improving in technology. we're living happily with our technology now aren't we? And if we do keep improving then usually the prices go up. One thing I do believe we need to improve on is prices. My thoughts didn't really change but descussing in class made me believe in my thoughts more. And the story was a big influence.
2. Disability is when someone is who doesn't act like regular people. I don't think that all disabilities should be fixed. Some disibilities make people unique, like Charlie. But some disabilities like maybe when it makes someone feel uncomfortable then I think it should be fixed. At first I thought that every disability should be fixed but after reading the story and listening to my other classmates opinions I realized that some people's disabilities make them who they are.
3. I don't believe that the doctor's who created the procedure should be responsible for everything because the doctor's that actually did the procedure could have acidentally did something wrong and I think it would be wrong for the doctor who invented the procedure to get in trouble. My thoughts stayed the same.
I think that the human race should try to change because we shouldn't be letting illegal immigrants into our countries, or just sitting on the couch getting fat while men are dying for our country overseas. But I think we should still change ourselves, like if you have a mental dissability there should be a operation or classes to help you, but if there are operations, the doctors should do years of research to back up what they found. I also think that the doctors should be held responsible for anything, especially if the operation doesn't work or if they give harm to the patients. In the book Flowers for Algernon, the doctors should have been held responsible, because they always fought, which can be really harmful to the patient. They also didn't see what happened to Algernon, as sideefects to the operation, before they gave it to Charlie.
Micah P
I think that humans should always try to improve itself, I still agree of what I wrote before. We all improve our lifes everyday, and we can't stop it, our brains get used to what we do everyday. If someone made something to make our lifes easier, we should imprase it and see if we would want it in our lifes and see if it would make us stronger or weaker in our bodies defenses. I think that anyone who is aware of if it would hlep him physicley, them I think he knows that he is responsible of what he does
Jeff.m
1.Have your answers changed?
In some way they have, but yet I still think the same for the most part of it.
2.What do you think influenced your point of view on these issues?
Well the story helped me look at things differently then I did before. I have changed some my mind in how I think for those questions.
3.Did the story have any impact on your opinions; why or why not?
A little bit, because this story gave me the point of veiw for what I need to know for these questions.
Like I kinda didn't get on how to answer the questions, but then it kinda gave me a clearer view. Even though I still agree with my answers over all.
4.Did you find new viewpoints based on the individual projects of others or within your own group project?
I wasn't here for group stuff i was sick.
5.Did these influence your point of view? Why?
I wasn't here for group stuff i was sick.
-Katie H.
1. thnk that people should not use surgary to fix all ther problems. like even though that we have the tecnoligy that does not meen we should do it.
2.also i do not think that we should be fixing disibillties with surgiry because thats like slapping god in thw face. it wrong, its WONG!!!
3.they sould
andrew
1)Have your answers changed?
My answers have somewhat changed. I still agree with my origingal answer
2)What do you think influenced your point of view on these issues?
The story helped influenced my opinion.
3)Did the story have any impact on your opinions; why or why not?
i think that the story helped support my oppinions a little more.
4)Did you find new viewpoints based on the individual projects of others or within your own group project?
um not really i think that my group agreed with eachother except on like if Charlie killed himself or lived.
5)Did these influence your point of view? Why?
no because i already formed my own opinion
Leigha P.
I disagree with Madeline's idea about the human race, because part of being human is changing, trying new things, having experinces of a life time, but i do agree with her about what it's like to be different.:)
(Micah)
My opinions haven't changed much at all. I still firmly believe that not all disabilities should be fixed and doctors who develop new operations should be held responsible for all outcomes of every experiment. Not all disabilities should be fixed because that's the way that God meant you to be and that's how you should stay.
Emelia
1)I am still pretty torn between weather or not if we have the technology we should try to improve or not. If we never improve we would still have really bad problems that we have today, like cancer. But it seems that when we try to improve, we have more problems, but maybe they are easily fixed. We should try to cure cancer, but leave other things alone.
2)Not all disabilities should be fixed, I agree with whoever posted the 2nd comment.
3)I think the doctors who create or preform the operation should be highly copable. However, if the person who created the thing tested it on mulitple people and write down the effects and put it on the box or tell the person whoh will be using the product. If a doctor did something wrong, he/she should be punished.
All of my opinions came a lot from teh book.
-- Mikayla M :-)
I don't agree w/ the first comment,I agree more the 2nd
I don't get what your saying Sean.
Mikayla
LUKE B.'s BEASTLY COMMENTS:
First off, I hate my computer because it has a stupid filter for blogging on it, so I have to do this on my dad's laptop.
1.) My answer for this question remains the same. My earlier response was that humanity SHOULD constantly be trying to improve itself. I still agree with that, and the "novella" only reaffirmed my answer. What I thing Flowers for Algernon teaches us is that not everything IS necessarily improving; what I'm about to say might be some what confusing, as I'm basing it off one of our mock trial objections. What I think is that if the amount of harm done is greater than the knowledge gained, it doesn't really improve society. But yes, society should always try to improve itself.
2.) What I said before for disability was that a disability is anything puts people on a different level. I still agree with that. I think a good example from FFA is when Charlie is with Joe and Frank. They all participate, but Frank and Joe are obviously on a higher level than Charlie.
I thought and still think that not all disabilities should not be changed. A disability is what makes us who we are; by my definition, everything from our little quirks to the way we process things to severe things like Charlie's are disabilities. Therefore, disabilities aren't necessarily bad and should only be fixed if A.) the person wants them fixed or B.) they pose a threat to society.
3.) I thought that all doctors who are create something should be responsible for any results of the experiment if the experiment is carried out correctly. To this question, my answer changed. I think that if a creates an procedure, other doctors should know the outcome of the procedures. When other doctors know the outcome of the procedures, the result of THEIR carrying out of the experiment is completely to their blame/credit. For example, if a doctor tried to perform Drs. Strauss and Nemur's experiment, they should first know EVERYTHING that happened to Charlie and Algernon. Then, if/when they carry out the experiment, the outcome is entirely on the new doctor's shoulders.
LUKE IS A BEAST!!!
-Luke B.
P.S. Sorry about the length :-(
FROM LUKE:
Madeline- interesting about "the only reason for humanity improving itself is because something doesn't work. Don't know if I agree or not, but it's certainly an interesting way to think about it.
Emelia- I LOVE YOUR POST! How did you make that so short when I took so long to say nothing? :)
EVERYONE- DON'T FORGET YOUR NAME!!!
-Luke
LUKE SAYS: to whoever posted comment two, what about people who aren't born with disabilities, but get them later in life? If your in a car accident and become a vegetable, is it wrong for people to try and get you back to where you were? I don't think so...
-Luke
I WANT SOMEONE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MINE! WHO CARES IF IT'S 10:36* AT NIGHT? SOMEONE'S GOT TO BE ON OTHER THAN ME!!
*By the way, the time it says for when the comment was posted is off by about two hours...
-Luke
1.Yes and no. yes because we should try to improve medicines and technology. And no because we would try to improve things that can't be improved like human brains and try and control things like that because there is no way to control the human mind.
2. disability- a physical or mental impairment in a human body or the human brain. if we can yes. because then maybe people could be equal enough to have no teasing and no problems in humanity.
3. no because they came up with the idea but it might not be their fault. if another docter does the procedure and does it wrong then its not their fault.
-renee f
I still believe that humanity should continue to improve itself, but I don't think that every technology should be used. The story completely changed my opinion. I feel that what Charlie was put through was not worth the science that was proven. I still think that the doctors are responsible for the procedures that they invent, if they didn't share those techniques with others. Dr. Nemur and Dr. Strauss are responsible because no one knew that they were performing the experiment.
~Mary Jess
My answers have not changed. I thinnk I had the most influence on everydady life. Ithought about how we live in society now and what would happen if that all changed. The story did effect my opinions because i realize who is at fault. My opinion has also changed because now I know the importance of thinking things through. I did find new viewpoints but they did not change my opinion because I felt my opinion was accurate.
~Katie K.
yes my opinion has changed. I still think that humanity should not be trying to improve itself unless it is in a form of food or health like cancer, because some people could consider being in a wheel chair as being unique. My friends were probably what changed by opinion. The book also changed my opinion too. Charlie's insight into what was happening to himself during the experiment made me really mad because the doctors had no right to experiment on a human without knowing the final outcome of the experiment. My point of view is always influenced by others except when I know or think my answer is right.
Pat T.
my oppinion has change a little but not a lot. i think that we should experiment but not on people tell we are sure what the side affects are going to be
brody mccarthy
1. no because if humanity tried to improve itself it might just end up in a bad situation where everyone is in danger of their lives like the situation charlie ended up in. i think that we should not try to improve anything with our technology because that is messing with Gods creation and his way of how he wants us to live.
2. no not all disabilities should be fixed because again its messing with the way that God created us and how he wanted us to live. i mean when someone does have a mental disability i know its not fair to them but thats the way they have to live and we cant do anything about it. it wouldnt be fair to everyone else if just because someone doesnt like something about their life they think they can fix it with technology. thats why we shouldnt fix all disabilities.
3. yes because they shouldnt test them on real paitients who are putting their lives in their hands.
-kelcie
hi
hi brody
hi brody!!!!!
whoops i didnt mean to do that i thought it wasnt working
kelcie
Luke's comment is WAAAAAAAAAAY too long . . .
my opinion really didn't change at all really. i dont think even some things in medicine should be improved because then it would start to become unnatural.
Ben B
well lets put it this way using charlie was taking advantage of him. not even a question so don't disagree. the dr.'s told him a little but not much at all and then he didn't take things so seriuos.they should have done this operation many more times before they tried it on a human!the dr.'s are incedibly selfish and cruel and they have no respect for God's great creation Charlie Gordon!
1. no i dont think humanity should constantly try to improve itself because if something works fine then why try to improve it? and the side effects of whatever you are trying to improve may be worse than the problem you try to solve.
2.disability:inability to do something;not able to do it. not all disabilities should be "fixed" some people cope just fine with their disabilities; it doesnt bother them. if we try to fix something, create a perfect world, then where do we fall??
3.no i dont think that the doctors should be responsible for ALL outcomes of the procedure. they may not be fully responsible, maybe they didnt know that the outcome (if bad) would happen.
OMG LUKE!!!! jeeeezzz why is that so long?! thats crazy and i havnt read it yet but im sure it will be long and have big words in it!! hahaha i will post a comment in an hour when im done reading it!!! :-)
from: katie v da beast!
luke: i agree with number 2 on ur comments. but i disagree with number 1. i think that if we constantly try to improve things in our society then we will have a so called "perfect world" (the giver??) and we should just leave some things the way they are!
p.s...i was right luke! it was long and very well worded! next time try to use words other people will understand! ;-)
oh yeah...um i also think that bens comment on how if we keep changing medicine it will become "unnatural." good point.
oh and sean could you please explain what you mean because i dont get it...thanks!
-katie v
will someone please get on and comment on mine??? i need to know what you guys think!! i also would like to say that i do think humanity should improve itself but not to the extent that we all become clones or something like my reference to the giver. if we all become people like in the giver we have lost what we are which is imperfect humans the way god created us!
-katie v-
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